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Choices...a personal journey  

LiveLifeDoU 69F  
1163 posts
12/17/2016 4:04 pm
Choices...a personal journey


My cousin is an atheist. He has studied religions a lot and has experienced different religious cultures when he was a soldier and stationed in Europe. He is also very political. More on that in a bit. He is about 4 years older than I am and lives far enough away that we visit only by phone and fb. Apparently, we did meet way back when I was about 16 and he says I was his favorite cousin...and he has a lot of cousins lol I don't remember the visit at all.
I remember the first time we really started chatting on the face place...turns out we had mutual friends there and, after like 40 years of no communication, we sat up all night and caught up on each other's lives....it wasn't until the wee hours of the morning that I realized that friends on both our face lists could see our conversation...not that there was anything to be concerned about....but I do remember that mutual friend having a good laugh when I found this out.
I was raised a Catholic so I have that in my background. I consider myself to be spiritual and I won't bore you with the details.
My cousin uses the face place as his outlet....he sites the Bible, the Koran and other historical writings...to tell anyone who will listen how bad organized religion is...specifically Christianity. He uses history as his lesson book. And he knows it well.
Most of my friends know I am a 'agree to disagree' type of person...live and let live. I either iged his rhetoric as it did not apply to me or...more often than not...I voiced my opposition, quietly and politely (most of the time). It became personal when he seemingly blamed me for all the historically bad things done in the name of Christianity from the beginning of time...blamed me along with all people who believe in God. Because I do believe in God, I was lumped in with everyone, from the people of Isis to Bible thumpers...everyone. He knew my view on the Bible and he knew his words were hurtful to me...I think I blogged once about all this lol Eventually, about a year ago, I got to the point where I no longer wanted to log into the face place and see his dozen or so posts about Christianity, religious zealots, etc. I couldn't ask him to censor himself, just because his words hurt me...and he wouldn't have if I'd asked. So I made the decision to 'unfriend' him on the face place.
He didn't try to contact me after that. No phone call or text, nothing. He knew what I'd chosen to do and I think he knew there was nothing that could be said. It was a sad thing.
Then last week, out of the blue, he sent me a text. After a few exchanges, I asked him why he was contacting me after so long of nothing. He told me he was getting his will in order and getting ready.
yeah...my heart stopped
He eventually told me his COPD was getting pretty bad. I knew he lived alone, in a tiny town in eastern washington, in a tiny shack with barely liveable conditions...and probably several feet of snow at this time of year.
I contacted his sister and she told me he was now on oxygen and was not in very good health at all. She had visited him in October and tried to get him to come live with her but he's a stubborn old man and refused.
I did have a good, long phone conversation with him last night...it was good to hear his voice again and he actually sounds the same as always. He says he is checking into an assisted living facility not too far away but said that he got frustrated with not being able to talk to the right person, etc. He says he hopes to have a Copes person come by to clean his place so he can stay put for a little longer. He still cooks for himself but has to drive quite a ways to a laundromat to clean his clothes...he has someone who may sell him a stacking washer/dryer and he already has the hook ups for it...I hope that happens.
I told him I'd come take care of him in a hot Texas minute, he just had to say the word....but I don't think he will. He is a proud man. Sad as it is, he has told me he doesn't want anyone around when he dies....which is one reason I have a nagging doubt that much of what he told me he is trying to arrange...is the truth. I hope I'm wrong about that.

Knowing he feels that way.....would it be wrong of me to show up at his door?
When someone says they want to die alone....do they really mean that? I'm sure some do but....it's hard for me to comprehend that my cousin would not be ok with a loved one being with him at that time...someone who truly cared about him.

Anyway, I digress lol
Now I regret my decision to 'unfriend' my cousin on the face place. Sure, his posts were very hard to see...but now I wonder if I could have tried harder to just look past them, ignore them, not take them so personally...so that we could have continued the other side of our friendship...I am sure his COPD did not go downhill suddenly and perhaps I could have been there for him as he went down that road.
I can't change the past. It is what it is. But I can learn from it...even at almost 62 years old, I am still learning life's lessons lol
At least I am there for him now...wherever that may be.
Thanks for listening.
Take care all and enjoy the day


ranchomongo 70M

12/17/2016 5:18 pm

I take it he knew that what he said hurt you.
So why doesn t he feel bad for saying the things he did on fb about how you feel.
there is no reason that you have to accept everything someone says. just look past things that go against how you feel..
I don t think you did any thing wrong.
Seems like he knew he hurt you so that s why he contacted you.
And if you didn t know he was sick , if he wouldn t have contacted you would you feel this way about him?

guilt? if he's not religious, seems he knows how to use guilt.

just my opinion


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LiveLifeDoU replies on 12/18/2016 12:58 pm:
He knew his words hurt me but. in my opinion, he chose freedom to express his beliefs over censuring himself...i say it's my opinion because he never really talked to me much when I brought this up....he would simply say 'freedom is choice'. And I did respect his right to voice his opinions and beliefs. If it was me and my words about my beliefs hurt someone I deeply cared about, I would choose to censure myself at least a little bit...but we are all different...just because it's how I would act, doesn't mean it's how he should act.

If he'd contacted me now and was not sick...I have now learned about 'not following' someone rather than completely unfriending them so I would go halfway...not follow his religious stuff but still stay in contact.

I don't think he's using guilt here....?

Naughtypursuit 56F  
2766 posts
12/17/2016 5:53 pm

For your own peace of mind it might be worth while to go and see him and let him turn down your help in person. I think it's better to know for sure that your help is not wanted then to second guess yourself and worry.


LiveLifeDoU replies on 12/18/2016 1:00 pm:
I know he is a messy person lol and he has limited sewer facilities...etc lol Hopefully he will get a copes person to come in and clean his house for him once a week, now that he's physically unable to do that...I am going to keep talking to him about visiting though...

BrownEyedBBW 55F  
8831 posts
12/17/2016 6:48 pm

Part of the problem wit FB is they don't clearly spell out your options on some things. I have friends who get crazy about politics and what I noticed is that I can click on an option tells FB I want to see fewer items like that or even that I no longer want to see posts from XYZ (this is very helpful if someone (like my mother) constantly forwards things from annoying websites.

If took a couple of weeks but it cut down quite a bit on the types of posts that annoyed me. I've posted a pic below (I hope it isn't soo large...)

It's a tricky question on whether to just show up or not. I might tell someone I was coming whether they wanted to or not. This gives them a chance to clean up or otherwise prepare their house for company, but I wouldn't show up unannounced.

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LiveLifeDoU replies on 12/18/2016 1:01 pm:
thank you for this info, BrownEyed....it's very good to know!

Looknfind18 71M  
4379 posts
12/17/2016 7:45 pm

as long as you are still learning you are still growing as a person, keep it up


Furbal1972 51M
18571 posts
12/17/2016 8:27 pm

Dying is an intimate thing that often isn't very pretty. I can fully understand wanting to be alone. ... I'm not sure I want anyone around when my time comes. .. But that's not to say that I don't want my affairs to be in order.

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LiveLifeDoU replies on 12/18/2016 1:02 pm:
at least he does know that things are getting bad and so he is getting his things in order...

kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
12/17/2016 10:26 pm

You pose some hard questions, lady. I am certain that I'd have unfriended a cousin for the same reasons you did, but what I did instead is just stop "Following". I don't see her posts but I didn't unfriend her. When we have family business we still communicate.

Would I go to help her if she were in need? I reckon I would- she was like a sister to me and we grew up together, much of it in the same house, after her mother died.

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LiveLifeDoU replies on 12/18/2016 1:08 pm:
thanks, kzoo...i have now learned about not following vs unfriending someone lol I will keep talking to him and see where it goes...for this friend, I would skip school next quarter if he wanted and needed me there for his last days...

tickles4us 62M
7262 posts
12/17/2016 11:01 pm

Knowing he feels that way.....would it be wrong of me to show up at his door?

I think it might be better to talk to him about it some more first. He might change his mind or not but you might get a feel for whether it would be a good idea to just show up. Sometimes people don't like to ask for help and will turn it down when offered but are actually relieved to have someone not take no for an answer. But it's a very trick issue.

When someone says they want to die alone....do they really mean that? I'm sure some do but....it's hard for me to comprehend that my cousin would not be ok with a loved one being with him at that time...someone who truly cared about him.

I think sometimes people don't want to put people out if you know what I mean. They don't like to ask for anything as I mentioned above. I think I would prefer to die in my sleep in a nice warm comfy bed. It isn't easy for people to give up control and it is more difficult for some of us.

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LiveLifeDoU replies on 12/18/2016 1:04 pm:
thanks, tickles, I am going to talk to him more about visiting...I found a link to a VA site that helps vets afford assisted living and a link to a very nice assisted living place not far from where my cousin lives...he told me i got more info for him than he'd been able to find in a week. so we'll see where it goes.

classicalrebel4 68M
1755 posts
12/18/2016 8:27 am

I've lived alone most of my life and under these circumstances it would be extremely difficult for me to ask for help and to figure out who I could turn to. If I reached out to someone like he did to you it would be to find out if they were that someone and I would be relieved if they showed up on my doorstep uninvited to check up on me in person. I would be somewhat embarrassed but I could get over it. But that's just me.

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LiveLifeDoU replies on 12/18/2016 1:07 pm:
hugs, classical, your viewpoint is enlightening. I will keep that in mind as I continue to talk to him so he knows I am there, at his door, if/when he needs me to be there...trick will be knowing that fine line between really wanting to be alone and not wanting to ask for help but wanting someone to be there he can trust.

goodatpoetry2 74M
16552 posts
12/21/2016 6:43 am

I can understand his wanting to die alone. . Seeing that he already lives a pretty isolated life, I would guess that he means it.
I would just keep in touch and see whether he changes his mind at some point. . He might have to someday.


alexwayne57 64M  
82 posts
12/21/2016 2:11 pm

Interesting questions. I don't think I have met anyone who truly wanted to be alone when they passed. Having been present at each of my three immediate family member's death, I do know that it was very important for me to be there. After the conversations and disagreements and time that had passed, do you think he really called you just to say he was dying and wanted to be alone? I am more inclined to think he has been by himself a long time, and is too proud or doesn't know how to ask for help. And then he reached out to you.


guynamedjim 65M
758 posts
12/25/2016 1:40 am

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